回复 #8 dou_客龙 的帖子
说的不无道理。至于“权利（力）斗争”，也存在“正义”与“邪恶”之分，所谓“立党为公”还是“立党为私”的问题。
“党”也是在“斗争”中，不断改正错误，发展壮大起来的。
“坚持真理，修正错误”，是党的一贯立场。有些人将“反对错误”，视为“反党”，这才是真的“别有用心”。
所谓历史上的“右派”的有关“平反”，已经很说明了问题。
历史的教训应该记忆犹新吧？！
所谓“君子不党”，那只是旧知识分子的所谓“清高”罢了。
回复 #9 dou_客龙 的帖子
所提建议，将帖的讨论题“改成----谁正在搞胯中国书法”，我觉得这会节外生枝，“中国书法”已经存在了上千年，而书协不过才几十年，怎能混而谈之？由于内外因的关系，“搞垮”书协有可能；“搞垮”中国书法，这不是痴人说梦吗？em4
也是由于内外因的关系，中国书法在发展过程，存在低潮与高超的现象，昨天如此，今天如此，明天还会如此。
问题是：谁正在阻滞中国书法的发展？！
这当是又一个重要的讨论题目，与本题虽有联系，但不能混为一谈。
你说呢？ 原帖由 琴岛大布衣 于 2007-11-11 12:55 发表 http://www.shufa.org/bbs/images/common/back.gif
说的不无道理。
至于“权利（力）斗争”，也存在“正义”与“邪恶”之分，所谓“立党为公”还是“立党为私”的问题。
“党”也是在“斗争”中，不断改正错误，发展壮大起来的。
“坚持真理，修正错误”，是党 ...
所以!谁想搞跨书协!谁就是在搞''权力斗争''!有党领导,相信党有政治觉悟,政治高度!不要''....忧天'' 原帖由 琴岛大布衣 于 2007-11-11 13:33 发表 http://www.shufa.org/bbs/images/common/back.gif
所提建议，将帖的讨论题“改成----谁正在搞胯中国书法”，我觉得这会节外生枝，“中国书法”已经存在了上千年，而书协不过才几十年，怎能混而谈之？
由于内外因的关系，“搞垮”书协有可能；“搞垮”中国书法， ...
您说得对!谁也搞不跨书法!不过''文革''还是''搞跨''了一些艺术家,也包括书家!所以你应该庆幸你不是在''文革时期''搞艺术创作!我认为艺术家不能搞政治,即使是开明的政治!巴金要为文革中冤死者建纪念馆!至今也没建.... 原帖由 dou_客龙 于 2007-11-11 14:36 发表 http://www.shufa.org/bbs/images/common/back.gif
所以!谁想搞跨书协!谁就是在搞''权力斗争''!有党领导,相信党有政治觉悟,政治高度!不要''....忧天''
问题是：到底是谁在“搞跨”书协？！
是严厉批评书协错误的那些人？还是书协的错误本身？
错误是要靠“斗争”才能“修正”的。
毛泽东教导我们：扫埽不到，灰尘照例不会自行跑掉。
不是别人打倒自己，而是自己打倒自己。
[ 本帖最后由 琴岛大布衣 于 2007-11-11 16:06 编辑 ] 原帖由 dou_客龙 于 2007-11-11 14:54 发表 http://www.shufa.org/bbs/images/common/back.gif
您说得对!谁也搞不跨书法!不过''文革''还是''搞跨''了一些艺术家,也包括书家!所以你应该庆幸你不是在''文革时期''搞艺术创作!我认为艺术家不能搞政治,即使是开明的政治!巴金要为文革中冤死者建纪念馆!至今也没 ...
“文革”是一个特别时期，
是一场错误的发动。
后来不是纠正了么？
当然余毒尚存。
搞政治与搞艺术当然是两码事。
但是艺术又必然受到政治的制约，
古今中为莫不如此。
自由也是政治开明的一种，
艺术自由要靠政治开明，
没有“开明的政治”，
也没有“百花齐放的艺术”与“百家争鸣的学术”。
这都是相辅相成的。
所以不能简单的将艺术与政治截然分开。
那是十分幼稚的想法。 原帖由 琴岛大布衣 于 2007-11-11 15:28 发表 http://www.shufa.org/bbs/images/common/back.gif
“文革”是一个特别时期，
是一场错误的发动。
后来不是纠正了么？
当然余毒尚存。
搞政治与搞艺术当然是两码事。
但是艺术又必然受到政治的制约，
古今中为莫不如此。
自由也是政治开明的一种，
艺术 ...
同意你说的''政治和高艺术是两码事''但不认为''艺术必然受政治制约''!作为艺术家,艺术人格是艺术生命的载体,江清可以堕落,郭某若可以萎身,巴金可以说谎.也有如,老舍愤然投湖,付雷含冤悬梁........对于后者,政治是制约不倒他的!启功很诙谐的说----我这个书法家是抄大字抱抄出来的!散之老文革避于乡野不问政!江西黄秋园八十年代始''出山'',震惊画坛......这些,为人为艺;高山仰止.....
回复 #17 dou_客龙 的帖子
我认为''艺术必然受政治制约''，也就是说有什么样的政治，就有什么的艺术；
有文革那样的政治，既有文革那样的艺术。
我说“开明的政治”与“自由的艺术”是相辅相成的；
反之，“封闭的艺术”与“专制的政治”也是相辅相成的。
不要一提政治，就一定与艺术相对立，这样理解政治未免有点单调了。
你说，西方世界的艺术，难道与政治无关？
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我认为''艺术必然受政治制约''，
也就是说有什么样的政治，就有什么的艺术；
有文革那样的政治，既有文革那样的艺术。
我说“开明的政治”与“自由的艺术”是相辅相成的；
反之，“封闭的艺术”与“ ...
z照您这样的逻辑,书协还要继续办下去,并且(有条件的 话)在西方也要办----办一个''社会主义书协''和''资本主义书协'',比较一下 !!毛在''延安时期''搞过''精兵简政'',这个''简政''就是''小政府''.---这也是现在西方的''普遍模式''其''公务员''制,明确了社会分工.提高了效率,也减少了F•B!相比,现在中国,各种大小的政府机构,造成社会资源巨大浪费,矛盾激化,并且 F•B有从政府部门向学术界和文艺界蔓延的趋势!艺术家可以关心政治,但是,政治最终由政治家来 搞!这是社会分工的不同!政府也不能来主导艺术家,更不能用金钱地位来''笼络'',那样,会使艺术和艺术家失去自主或独立!!艺术家的地位由社会大众或历史来决定!!所以,书协,要变官体为民体!!!
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