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R. s0 U% k. j1 N; y+ h3 R; w[whitepad]***700;400;700,400;;** m574,16 l577,16,577,17,578,17,578,20,576,20,576,21,574,21 e|********* m554,40 l554,42,561,42,561,40,565,40,565,38,567,38,567,36,570,36,570,34,572,34,572,32,574,32,574,36,572,36,572,51,573,51,573,54,574,54,574,55,575,55 575,56,582,56,582,54,585,54,585,52,586,52,586,50 e|********* m603,17 l603,19,607,19 e|********* m620,11 l620,9,622,9,622,12,620,12,620,14,618,14,618,16,616,16,616,18,614,18,614,20,612,20,612,23,610,23,610,26,608,26,608,31,606,31,606,35,613,35 613,33,620,33,620,31,624,31,624,32,622,32,622,33,620,33,620,34,618,34,618,35,616,35,616,36,614,36,614,37,612,37,612,38,610,38,610,39,608,40 608,41,606,41,606,43,604,43,604,45,602,45,602,47,600,47,600,48 e|********* m615,42 l615,62,616,62,616,65,617,65,617,67,618,67,618,69,619,69,619,71,620,71,620,73,621,73,621,74,622,74,622,75,623,75,623,76,625,76,625,77,632,77 632,75,634,75,634,73,637,73,638,71,642,71,642,69,645,69,645,67,648,67,648,65,650,65,650,63,651,63,651,61,648,61 e|********* m588,105 l589,105,589,126,590,126,590,129,591,129,591,130,593,130,593,128,595,128 e|********* m602,105 l602,103,605,103,605,101,607,101,607,106,609,106,609,107,611,107,611,108,614,108,614,109,615,109,615,110,616,110,616,111,617,111,617,113,618,113,618,115,619,115 619,136,617,136,617,137,615,137,615,138,612,138,612,139,608,139,608,136,606,136,606,134,604,134,604,131,605,129,609,129,609,131,610,131,610,136,608,136,608,138 606,138,606,139 e|********* m604,138 l604,140,602,140,602,143,600,143,600,145,598,145,598,147,596,147,596,152,594,152,594,157,592,157,592,161,590,162,590,175,588,175,588,192,586,192,586,196,587,196 587,197,610,197,610,195 e|********* m602,173 l602,185,600,185,600,194,598,194,598,201,596,201,596,203,591,203,591,204,577,204,577,202,573,202,573,200,569,200,569,198,565,198,565,195,569,195,569,193,573,193 573,191,577,191,577,189,581,189,581,187,587,187,587,185,600,185,600,183,604,183,604,181,608,181,608,179,612,179,612,177,618,177,618,175,628,175,628,177,629,177 629,182,630,182,630,185,631,185,631,187,632,187,632,189,633,189,633,192,634,192,634,197,635,197,635,204,636,206,636,219,634,219,634,221,632,222,632,224,630,224 630,225,628,225,628,226,626,226,626,227,624,227,623,228,619,228,618,229,616,229,616,230,605,230,605,227,603,227,603,222,601,222,601,220,606,220,606,218,619,218 619,216,630,216,631,214,634,214,634,212,639,212,639,210,638,210,638,211,636,211,636,212,633,212,633,213,631,213 e|********* m571,258 l571,262,569,262,569,264,567,264,567,265,565,266,563,266,563,267,561,267,561,269,559,269,559,270,557,270,557,271,555,272,553,272,553,273,551,274,549,274,549,276 547,276,547,277,544,277,544,278,541,280,539,280,539,281,537,281,536,282,536,283 e|********* m563,283 l563,300,564,300,564,304,565,304,565,305,568,305,568,303,570,303,570,301,573,301,573,299,574,299,574,297,575,297,575,295 e|********* m595,251 l596,251,596,253,597,253,597,256,595,256,595,258,593,258,593,260,591,260,591,262,597,262,598,260,612,260,612,258,621,258,621,259,619,259,619,260,617,260,617,261 615,261,615,262,613,262,613,263,611,263,610,264,609,264,609,266,607,266,607,267,605,267,605,268,603,268,603,269,601,269,601,270,599,270,599,271,597,271,596,272 594,273,592,273,592,274,590,274,590,275,588,275,588,274,590,274,591,272,594,272,594,270,597,270,597,268,599,268,600,266,603,266,603,264,613,264,613,265,616,265 616,266,617,266,618,267,619,267,620,268,626,268,626,269,627,269,627,273,625,273,625,274,623,274,623,275,620,275,620,276,616,276,616,277,606,277,606,275,604,275 604,273,602,273,602,271,600,271,600,267,598,267,598,265,599,265,600,263,602,263,602,267,600,267,600,271,598,271,598,276,596,276,596,279,598,279,599,280,601,280 601,281,602,281,602,282,604,282,604,283,605,283,605,284,607,284,607,285,608,285,608,287,609,287,609,288,610,288,610,289,611,289,612,290,612,291,613,292,613,293 614,293,614,295,615,295,615,297,616,297,616,300,617,300,617,302,618,302,618,304,619,304,619,306,620,306,620,309,621,309,621,316,619,316,619,318,617,318,617,320 615,320,615,321,612,321,612,322,610,322,610,323,608,323,607,324,598,324,598,322,595,322,595,320,593,320 e|********* m589,303 l590,303,590,301,592,301,592,299,594,299,595,297,597,297,597,295,599,295,600,293,602,293,602,291,619,291,619,292,622,292,622,293,624,293,624,294,625,294,625,297 623,297,623,298,621,298,621,299,619,299,619,300,616,300,616,301,614,301,614,302,612,302,611,303,612,303,612,304,614,304,615,305,618,305,618,306,621,306,621,307 628,307 e|********* m440,17 l440,20,438,20,438,22,436,22,436,23,434,23,434,25,432,25,432,27 e|********* m439,30 l439,32,437,32,437,34,435,34,435,36,433,36,433,37,431,38,431,39,429,39,429,40,427,41,427,43,425,43,425,45,423,45,423,46,421,46,421,48,422,48 423,46,428,46,428,55,429,55,429,68,430,68,430,71,431,71,431,72,436,72,436,70,437,70,437,68,439,68,439,66 e|********* m458,28 l458,26,460,26,460,24,461,24,461,22,462,20,463,20,463,18,465,18,465,16,466,16,466,14,468,14,468,19,466,19,466,29,467,29,467,31,468,31,468,33 469,33,469,34,470,34,470,36,471,36,471,38,472,38,472,40,473,40,473,42,474,44,474,45,475,45,475,50,473,50,473,51,471,51,471,52,469,52,469,51 467,51,467,48,465,48,465,46,463,46,463,47,461,47,461,54,459,54,459,69,460,69,460,71,462,71,462,69,464,69,465,67,468,67,468,65,480,65,480,66 482,66,482,67,484,67,484,68,486,68,486,72,484,72,484,73,482,73,482,75,480,75,480,76,478,76,478,78,476,78,476,79,474,79,474,81,472,81,472,82 e|********* m421,108 l421,110,425,110,426,108,433,108,433,114,434,114,434,123,435,123,435,125,436,125,436,127,437,127,437,128,438,128,438,129,439,129,439,131,440,131,440,132,441,132 441,135,442,135,442,141,440,141,440,142,437,142,437,143,424,143,424,141,425,141,425,139,427,139,427,137,428,137,429,135,430,135,430,133,433,133,433,131,435,131 435,129,438,129,438,127,440,127,440,125,442,125,442,123,445,123,446,121,447,121,447,119,450,119,450,117,452,117,453,115,455,115,455,113,458,113,458,111,459,111 461,107,463,107,463,105,465,105,465,103,466,103,467,101,468,101,468,99,480,99,481,100,482,100,484,102,484,103,485,103,485,104,486,104,486,106,487,107,487,110 488,110,488,115,489,115,489,135,487,135,487,136,484,136,484,137,480,137,480,138,470,138,470,136,468,136 e|********* m471,108 l471,109,472,109,472,127,470,127,470,128,468,128,468,129,464,129 e|********* m456,119 l464,119,464,120,466,120,466,121,469,121,469,122,472,122,472,123,474,123,474,125 e|********* m464,164 l464,168,465,168,465,169,471,169,471,166,469,166,469,164,467,164,467,162,465,162,465,163 e|********* m443,197 l454,197,454,195,456,195,456,193,458,193,458,191,459,191,459,189,460,189,460,187,461,187 e|********* m434,212 l445,212,445,210,447,210,447,208,449,208,449,206,451,206,451,204,453,204,453,202,454,202 e|********* m447,198 l447,207,448,207,448,212,449,212,449,217,450,218,450,220,451,220,451,221,452,221,452,222,457,222,457,232,458,232,458,233,459,233,459,234,461,234,461,235,463,235 463,236,466,236,467,237,470,237,470,238,471,238,471,239,470,239,470,240,467,240,467,241 e|********* m449,250 l451,250,451,251,453,251,453,252,455,252,455,253,456,253,456,256,454,257 e|********* m436,267 l436,268,459,268,459,266,469,266,469,264,476,264,476,262,479,262,480,260,483,260,483,258,485,258,485,259,483,259,483,260,481,260,481,262,479,262,479,263,477,264 477,265,475,265,475,266,473,266,473,267,471,267,471,268,469,268,469,269,467,269,467,270,465,271,465,272,463,272 e|********* m431,288 l431,291,432,291,432,293,433,293,433,295,434,295,434,297,435,297,435,298,436,298,436,299,437,299,437,300,438,300,438,301,439,301 e|********* m437,281 l438,283,438,284,439,284,439,286,440,286,440,287,441,287,441,289,442,289,442,290,443,290,443,291,445,291,445,292,446,292,446,293,448,293 e|********* m458,280 l464,280,464,285,462,285,462,287,460,287,458,288,458,290,456,290,456,291,454,291,454,293,452,293,452,294,450,294,450,295,448,295,448,296,446,296,446,297,444,297 444,298,442,298,442,299,440,300,438,300,435,301,434,301,434,302,431,302,431,303,428,304,425,304,425,305,423,305,423,303,421,303,421,300,422,300,422,298,423,298 423,296,427,296,427,294,452,294,452,292,464,292,464,296,462,296,462,298,460,298,460,299,458,299,458,301,456,301,454,302,454,303,451,303,451,306,460,306,461,307 465,307,465,308,467,308,467,310,468,310,468,316,466,316,466,318,464,318,464,319,462,319,462,320,460,320,460,321,458,321,458,322,454,323,451,323,451,319,449,319 449,315,450,315,452,311,453,311,453,313,451,313,451,315,449,315,449,318,447,318,447,323,445,323,445,328 e|********* m456,330 l459,330,459,331,460,331,460,332,462,332,462,333,464,333,464,334,465,334 e|********* m287,33 l287,35,288,35,288,37,289,37,289,38,295,38,295,36 e|********* m306,22 l306,20,308,20,308,21,309,21,309,26,307,27,307,30,305,30,305,32,303,32,303,33,301,34,301,36,299,37,299,39,297,40,297,42,295,43,295,46,293,46 293,48,291,48,291,62,302,62,303,60,304,60,304,58,306,58,306,56,308,56,308,54,310,54,310,52,308,52,308,53,306,53,306,55,304,55,304,57,302,57 302,59,300,59,300,61,298,61,298,64,296,64,296,66,294,67,294,78,292,78,292,85,290,85,290,88 e|********* m299,74 l300,74,300,78,301,78,301,80,305,80 e|********* m317,41 l318,41,318,53,319,53,319,56,320,56,320,57,340,57,342,53,343,53,343,51,344,51,345,49,346,49,346,47,347,47,349,43,349,41,346,41,346,39,344,39 343,37,342,36,341,36,340,34,339,34,339,32,337,32,337,29,335,29,335,44,333,44,333,75,331,75,331,76,323,76,323,74,320,74,320,72,318,72,318,70 323,70,323,71,326,71,326,72,328,72,328,73,330,73,330,74,332,74,332,75,333,75,333,76,334,76,334,78,335,78,336,79,336,80,337,80,337,84,335,84 335,85,333,85,333,86,331,86,331,87,329,87,329,89,327,89,327,91,324,91,324,93,322,93,322,94,323,94,325,95,332,95,332,93,334,93,335,91,336,91 336,89,338,89,338,87,344,87 e|********* m294,124 l294,125,295,125,295,127,296,128,296,129,297,129,297,130,299,130,299,131,302,131,302,132,303,132 e|********* m307,125 l313,125 e|********* m328,111 l329,111,329,121,330,121,330,123,332,123,332,124,341,124,341,128,339,128,339,130,337,131,337,132,334,132 e|********* m304,154 l315,154 e|********* m315,154 l322,154 e|********* m299,181 l299,184,297,184,297,187,295,187,295,190,293,191,293,201,294,201,294,202,295,202,295,203,296,203,296,204,298,204,299,205,311,205,311,203,313,203,313,201,315,201 315,199,316,199,317,197,321,197,321,195,324,195,324,193,337,193,337,191,335,191 e|********* m323,168 l323,171,321,171,321,173,319,174,319,175,317,175,317,177,315,177,315,179,313,179,313,181,310,181,310,179,308,179 e|********* m303,169 l310,169,310,170,311,170,311,171,313,171,314,172,314,173,315,173,315,174,316,174,316,175,317,175,317,176,318,176,318,177,319,177,319,178,320,178,320,179,321,179 321,183 e|********* m298,221 l298,230,299,230,299,233,306,233,306,234,307,234,307,235,309,235,309,244,310,244,310,246,311,246,311,247,312,248,314,248,314,249,316,249,316,250,318,250,319,251 321,251,321,252,322,252,322,253,323,253,323,254,324,254,324,256,325,256,325,257,327,259,328,261,328,262,329,263,330,266,330,267,331,267,331,269,332,269,332,281 330,281,330,282,326,282,326,283,322,283,322,284,316,284,316,285,305,285,304,286,300,286,300,273 e|********* m342,216 l344,216,344,218,345,218,345,221,346,221,346,223,347,223,347,225,348,225,348,227,349,227,349,234,347,234,347,249,345,249,345,252,343,252,343,253,341,253,341,252 339,252,339,249 e|********* m148,30 l147,30,147,32,145,32,145,34,163,34,165,35,185,35,187,33,191,33,191,31,204,31,204,29,229,29,229,30,232,30,232,31,233,31,233,32,235,32,235,33 236,33,236,39,234,39,232,42,227,43,227,44,225,44,224,45,224,46,222,46,221,47,220,47,219,48,218,48,218,49,216,49,215,50,212,51,211,51,210,52 209,52,208,53,207,53,206,54,204,54,203,55,198,55,197,56,194,56,192,57,185,57,184,58,182,58,180,59,177,59,176,60,173,60,172,61,160,61,160,56 161,56,161,54,162,54,162,52,163,52,163,49,164,49,164,47,165,47,165,49,166,49,166,50,167,51,167,52,168,52,168,54,169,57,171,59,171,61,173,65 175,67,175,68,176,69,176,70,177,72,178,73,178,74,179,75,179,77,180,77,180,80,181,80,181,82,182,82,182,85,183,85,183,87,184,87,184,91,185,91 185,93,186,94,186,95,187,95,187,98,188,98,188,99,186,99,186,100,182,100,180,101,159,101,159,99,168,99,168,97,169,97,169,95,172,95,172,93,174,93 174,91,176,91,176,89,182,89,182,87,205,87,207,85,213,85,213,83,215,83,215,81,216,81,217,79,220,79,220,77,224,77,224,75,226,75,226,73,224,73 224,71,222,71,222,69,220,68,220,67,218,67,218,64,216,64,216,61,214,59,214,58,212,58,212,54,210,54,210,51,208,51 e|********* m200,40 l200,41,198,41,198,75,199,75,199,78,200,78,200,81,201,81,201,83,202,83,202,86,203,87,203,90,204,90,204,91,205,93,205,95,206,95,206,97,207,97 207,99,209,101,209,103,210,103,210,107,211,107,211,113,212,113,212,117,213,117,213,128,214,128,214,159,212,159,212,178,213,179,213,190,214,190,214,203,215,203 215,210,216,210,216,219,217,220,217,225,218,225,218,238,219,238,219,241,217,242,217,282,218,283,218,291,216,291,216,293,214,293,214,294,212,295,212,296,210,297 208,297,208,298,204,300,202,300,202,301,200,301,200,303,198,303,196,304,195,304,195,306,193,306,193,307,191,307,191,308,189,308,189,309,187,309,187,310,185,310 185,311,183,311,183,312,181,312,181,313,178,313,178,310,176,310,176,307,174,307,174,302,172,300,172,291 e|********* m182,249 l185,249,185,247,191,247,191,245,193,245,194,243,200,243,201,241,214,241,215,239,225,239,225,240,227,240,227,241,229,241,229,242,230,242,230,246,228,246,228,247 226,247,226,248,224,248,224,249,221,250,218,250,218,251,213,253,212,253,212,254,210,254,209,255,205,256,205,257,203,257,203,258,201,259,200,259,200,260,204,261 205,261,208,262,210,262,211,263,214,263,215,264,218,264,218,265,220,265,220,269,218,269,218,270,213,273,212,273,210,274,210,275,207,276,204,276,204,277,200,277 200,278,197,278,197,279,195,279,195,280,192,280,192,282,194,282,195,283,197,284,197,285,198,285,199,286,199,287,200,287,200,288,201,289,202,289,202,290,203,290 203,291,205,293,205,294,208,297,208,298,209,298,210,299,211,299,211,300,212,300,212,301,213,301,214,303,215,303,216,304,217,304,217,305,219,305,219,306,220,306 220,307,221,307,222,308,223,308,224,309,225,309,225,310,226,310,227,311,229,312,230,313,231,313,233,315,235,315,235,316,236,317,237,317,239,319,241,319,241,320 242,320,243,321,244,321,244,322,248,322,248,320,251,320,252,318,253,318,254,316,256,316,256,314,258,311,259,310,259,309,260,309 e|********* m57,31 l57,32,58,32,58,34,59,34,59,38,60,38,60,40,61,40,61,41,65,41,65,39,67,39,67,37,69,37,69,35,71,35,71,33,72,33,72,31,74,31 74,29,75,29,75,32,73,33,73,35,71,35,71,37,69,37,69,39,67,39,67,41,65,41,65,46,63,46,63,49,61,49,61,54,59,54,59,59,57,59 57,63,55,63,55,68,53,68,53,64,51,64,51,51,52,51,52,49,53,49,54,50,54,52,55,52,55,53,56,53,56,55,57,55,57,57,58,57,58,59 59,59,59,61,60,61,60,62,61,62,61,63,62,63,62,64,63,64,63,65,64,65,64,66,68,66,68,64 e|********* m70,60 l83,60,83,62,81,62,81,63,79,63,79,65,77,65,77,66,75,67 e|********* m45,85 l45,87,43,87,43,104,41,104,41,105,47,105,47,103,50,103,50,101,53,101,53,99,55,99,56,97,57,97,58,95,60,95,61,93,62,93,63,91,65,91 65,89,67,89,67,86 e|********* m71,72 l72,72,72,73,73,74,73,78,74,78,74,82,75,82,75,84,76,84,76,85,89,85,89,90,87,90,87,92,85,93,85,95,83,95,83,98,81,98,81,100 79,100,79,101,77,101,77,103,75,103,75,104,73,104,73,106,71,106,71,107,69,109,67,109,67,112,65,112,65,113,63,114,63,116,61,116,61,118,59,119 59,120,57,120,57,122,55,123,55,125,53,125,53,128,51,128,51,131,49,132,49,134,47,134,47,137,45,137,45,138,43,139,43,141,41,141,41,143,39,143 39,146,37,146,37,147 e|********* m52,145 l57,145,57,146,60,146,61,147,62,147,62,148,65,148,65,149,67,149,67,150,69,150,69,151,71,151,71,152,72,152,73,153,75,153,75,154,77,154,77,155 79,155,80,156,81,156,82,157,83,157,84,158,87,158,87,159,89,159,89,160,91,160,92,161,93,161,96,162,97,163,99,163,100,164,102,164,103,165,104,165 105,166,107,167,109,167,110,168,112,168,113,169,114,169,115,170,117,170,117,171,120,171,123,172,123,173,125,173,125,174,128,174,128,175,129,175,129,177,127,177 127,178,124,178,124,179,121,179 e|********* m34,187 l34,189,36,189,36,190,38,190 e|********* m57,176 l57,177,55,177,55,180,53,180,53,182,51,182,51,185,49,185,49,187,47,187,47,189,45,189,45,190,43,191,43,192,41,193,41,194,39,194,39,195,37,195 37,196,35,197,33,197,33,199,31,199,31,201,29,201,29,202,40,202,40,200,43,200,43,198,46,198,46,196,49,196,49,194,56,194,58,192,59,192 e|********* m57,193 l57,196,55,196,55,199,53,199,53,200,47,203,47,204,45,204,45,206,43,206,43,208,41,208,41,210,43,210,47,214,49,214,50,215,51,215,51,216,52,216 52,217,53,217,53,218,54,218,54,219,55,219,55,220,56,220,56,221,57,221,57,222,59,222,59,223,61,223,61,224,62,224,62,225,63,225,63,226,64,226 64,227,65,227,65,229,66,229,66,233,64,234,64,235,62,236,62,238,59,238,59,239,56,239,56,240,52,240,52,241,50,242,46,242,46,243,42,243,42,244 32,244,32,242,30,242,30,239,28,239,28,236,26,236,26,233,24,233,24,225,61,225,61,226,72,226,72,227,83,227,83,228,87,228,87,233,85,233,85,234 e|********* m35,259 l35,260,36,260,36,263,37,263,37,265,38,265,38,267,39,268,39,269,40,269,40,271,41,271,41,272,42,272,42,275,43,275,43,277 e|********* m35,286 l35,290,36,290,36,295,37,295,37,299,38,299,38,303,39,304,39,307,40,307,40,309,41,309,41,310,42,311,43,314,43,315,44,315,44,316,45,316,45,318 46,318,46,319,47,319 e[/whitepad]
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发表于 2007-9-28 23:28 | 显示全部楼层
碑和帖是书法的两种不同的介质。自阮元提出南帖北碑之说,碑、帖成了两种不同的书风。
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现在把书法史上的代表人物分为帖系与碑系,实际上是不科学的!王羲之、颜真卿、苏轼他们都有名帖传世,但他们也都写碑。不同介质的书法,实际上都有笔法问题,不过碑有一个再加工的过程,实际上是笔法加刀法。
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- M* i0 ?/ Z/ a( }7 T孙晓云女士的《书法有法》是对笔法的研究专著,但古人没有提按,只有转笔以及清以降笔法失传的说法值得商榷。笔法也应是不断发展的。
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发表于 2007-9-29 10:00 | 显示全部楼层
这样的贴好.各抒己见嘛!
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发表于 2007-10-4 17:04 | 显示全部楼层
em1 em1 em1 2007_BI 2007_BI 2007_BI em1 em1 em1
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发表于 2007-10-7 21:47 | 显示全部楼层
em1 em1 em1 很不错,对提高书写水平有很大的帮助!
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